DTA for a GTA

The reasoning is research .Everybody that sells a particular system will say its best .I may well go with an Adaptronic but that will still need new sensors and a loom making won't it ?
Who's going to set it up for me on the rollers ??If I go to Noble for instance and they're a OMEX agent and say it will work on my car and it will be this much and they expect at least these results then if it aint ..........................

No, the Adaptronic uses the original sensors, and I supply it with a plug in loom kit, no extra wiring in the engine bay. Anyone can set it up on your car, if they say they have problems then they are not worth dealing with in the first place. An OMEX system for instance would have to be done from scratch anyway, the Adaptronic for instance comes as a plug and play so you can drive the car from the first instance.

End of the day, all of the ecu's and their costs are irrelevant when you put them against mapping costs, or other parts. The new injectors, fuelpump, reg, 3 bar mapsensor etc will cost as much if not more than just the ecu, and then theres the issue of no point of doing an ECU untill the car is running an uprated turbo, chargercooler and exhaust. The gains from remapping come from being able to run increased boost, and we all know the standard turbo and intercooler fall way below even standard power requirements..

Oh, and the First Adaptronic-run PRV was sparked up for the first time in 6 months on Friday... and driven from Hastings to Hatfield, and then on to Norfolk. It's now back in Hatfield being driven to work every day. That runs my slightly modified flywheel with a simple 66/3 pattern. Oh, and the engine (which I built) hasn't blown up ..... yet

I wasnt expecting you to agree! The engine I built also hasnt blown up....but then it hasnt run very much either....yet!!!

Ah, but you wouldnt expect Martins to blow up, the twin turbo D hasnt even made the same power or torque as a standard GTA Turbo yet, so its hardly a stressed engine....

...an ecu that has the abilty to self map...

This is not strictly true. It won't self map ignition and the adaptive fuelling only works if you give it the right PID parameters - and they'll be specific to the engine and nobody can provide instructions on how to work out what PID parameters you need. It's as hit-and-miss as the idle set up (and that's annoying in itself)

...an ecu that has the abilty to self map...

This is not strictly true. It won't self map ignition and the adaptive fuelling only works if you give it the right PID parameters - and they'll be specific to the engine and nobody can provide instructions on how to work out what PID parameters you need. It's as hit-and-miss as the idle set up (and that's annoying in itself)

What are you talking about Martin . Learn about things before you give any more 'advice' on MY product.

I mapped a Renault 21 Turbo a few weeks back, upto 10psi, to perfect 12.5:1 fueling across the board, on the road, in only 15 minutes. Perfect idling, no hesitation, stuttering, misfires, as drivable as the standard ECU.

There is absoltely no PID controls on the self mapping function, perhaps this is where you have been going wrong....

The reasoning is research .Everybody that sells a particular system will say its best .I may well go with an Adaptronic but that will still need new sensors and a loom making won't it ?
Who's going to set it up for me on the rollers ??If I go to Noble for instance and they're a OMEX agent and say it will work on my car and it will be this much and they expect at least these results then if it aint ..........................

Anyone can set it up on your car, if they say they have problems then they are not worth dealing with in the first place.

See you're shifting the blame already and I aint even bought one
I like one asp to kick ,I see you advertise this ................
http://www.alpinerenaulttuning.co.uk/ca ... ucts_id=60

Yes, thats the total price, with everything, brand new large injectors, 3 bar, ecu, and full remap for the particular car, road and dyno, but I wouldnt entertain it if you don't have the turbo and chargecooler at least.

That's not the right attitude


' you can't have it unless you spend more '



So it's really £2500

No, its a modification that you make after other mods..(or along side)

If you stick an aftermarket ecu on a standard car, with standard boost, why would you think you get any more than standard power?

Moneys nothing to do with it, lets pretend the turbo and chargecooler are only £50 each, you still have to have them with the ECU...

I wouldn't expect more but I'd know the system works reliably on my car ,under all conditions ,at std, before I spend more money on POWER .
I'm not talking about bigger injectors etc, just the ECU and sensing to make it fully operational ,whats's that ? about £600 + setup to std figures ?I'll spend the other 2k once I know it works .

What are you talking about Martin .

A LOT of time setting up more than one PRV to run on an Adaptronic, plus a 3 year electronics degree (which included PID controllers)...

Learn about things before you give any more 'advice' on MY product.

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There is absoltely no PID controls on the self mapping function, perhaps this is where you have been going wrong....

Check out the closed loop parameters (it's under the "corrections" tab) and RTFM on how these Proportional and Integral components affect the adaptive learning...

yawn........

another forum fight

He started it

I LOVE IT................. BRING IT ON

What are you talking about Martin .

A LOT of time setting up more than one PRV to run on an Adaptronic, plus a 3 year electronics degree (which included PID controllers)...

Learn about things before you give any more 'advice' on MY product.

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There is absoltely no PID controls on the self mapping function, perhaps this is where you have been going wrong....

Check out the closed loop parameters (it's under the "corrections" tab) and RTFM on how these Proportional and Integral components affect the adaptive learning...

Martin, a 3 year degree doesnt mean you can read simple instructions or listen to people

Please tell me where the PID controls are in the adaptive mode, not closed loop.....Ill give you £50 if you can... The closed loop settings have nothing to do the adaptive settings, hence why you select between the two modes in the options...



And anyway, why are you trying any adaptive learning (lol, on closed loop mode )?, you don't even own a wideband lambda system....?

Ive just told you I have mapped cars very fast in full adaptive mode as it works perfectly, yet you admitted you have never been able to do it.. SO WHY ARE YOU ARGUING WITH ME ON HOW IT WORKS???

Have you ever asked me (or anybody) how to do it?...Nope...

I wouldn't expect more but I'd know the system works reliably on my car ,under all conditions ,at std, before I spend more money on POWER .
I'm not talking about bigger injectors etc, just the ECU and sensing to make it fully operational ,whats's that ? about £600 + setup to std figures ?I'll spend the other 2k once I know it works .

Yes, thats about right money. Reliability/drivability isnt an issue, Peter said his car ran better, smoother, and quieter and generally nicer to drive with the Adaptronic fitted over the original ecu.

But you talk about reliablity/efficiency etc - the standard intercooler and turbo are BAD for the engine, even on standard power. So what Im saying is the CC and turbo is more important than the ECU at any stage of tune... Stick an Adaptronic on a standard car still means you have red hot boost and a struggling turbo...but there is nothing wrong with a standard ecu and cool and efficient boost...