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Postby RED21 » Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:58 pm

The ultimate R21 it isn't I know of better performers but I was beating all but two porkers at Longleat at one point.
Torque steer is non exstant in the dry, but soon as it rains `wahaaaaaaaa` it's the lift off over steer in off camber corners that does me, like St Marys at Goodwood.
As for Alpines well ! I`ll show you what happens to them on the hills when I can get a link sorted :lol:
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Postby RED21 » Mon Feb 14, 2005 10:16 pm

Heres what happensImage
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Postby simontaylor » Mon Feb 14, 2005 10:28 pm

Must have been going too fast to stop in time?
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Postby peterg » Mon Feb 14, 2005 10:56 pm

Red 21......remember youre on an Alpine site, youre drinving a mass produced Euro box and conversing with an event winning Alpine driver!!!! :D I eat Porsches for breakfast in my GTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Postby peterg » Mon Feb 14, 2005 10:59 pm

Did I mention rear wheel drive 8)
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Postby Alpineandy » Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:20 am

peterg wrote:conversing with an event winning Alpine driver!!


He's our hero...... :wink:
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Postby David Gentleman » Tue Feb 15, 2005 10:02 am

I think he was meant to show this pic...

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Why did he park it up there?
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Postby peterg » Tue Feb 15, 2005 11:08 am

Is it an A610? Presumably it has just come off the track?? Where is it?
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Postby David Gentleman » Tue Feb 15, 2005 1:30 pm

I dont think he's flown off the track at high speed up the bank because, A, I think he would have just dug into it because the angle of it, and there is no marks on the grass...
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The old GTA v 21 argument!

Postby Tony Smith » Tue Feb 15, 2005 4:13 pm

The ultimate 21's around in my book were Trevor Robinsons red Quadra which was running plenty over 300bhp on the bottle, and Amrits red 21 built up by a mate of mine called Brett which was well over 250bhp without gas but only 2 wheeldrive. I'm sure theres a few I haven't seen yet though. Theres more potential in a GTA though, its just that not many people have modified them - which is more down to ignorance from aftermarket tuners in this country than anything else. Lighter, 500cc bigger and V6, more aerodynamic, better suspension set-up. With equal amounts of after-market development the GTA's always going to be the superior car - I know I have 2 of each!
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Postby peterg » Tue Feb 15, 2005 4:45 pm

The best one in the Retrocars rolling road day only managed 242bhp and it had had a fair lot of modification. I fully intend to have 300bhp by this time next year.....cams and ECU to come. As Tony said the GTA is lighter, more aerodynamic and it has rear wheel drive, a bigger foot print on the tarmac, a V6 engine and is a whole lot better looking! :D
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Postby RED21 » Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:26 pm

Peterg, I know I drive a Eurobox and I`ve won a few trophys like you but I still love Alpines and if I spent my money a bit wiser in the past :roll: I would have been a proud owner of one right now.(still saveing & dreaming)
The picture was taken (not by me) at Gurston down a few years ago, going up a section call Burkes rise which is taken with foot hard to the floor in 2nd or 3rd gear. That is roughly where it ened up but a few metres more and he would have hit a large tree stump on the ridge ouch!!
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Postby peterg » Tue Feb 15, 2005 11:38 pm

Porsche 911 is very nice first thing! Never made it to Gurston Down yet (did half a season in the British championship 10 years ago.....until the money ran out :evil: ) but unless things have changed its the only hillclimb course that starts downhill.....which must be bizarre!
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Postby Alpiniste » Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:04 am

well better get it aired now whilst I'm in such great company.
Mine at Brands :)
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Postby simonsays74 » Wed Feb 16, 2005 10:15 am

we have a hillclimb at a place called downhill. :?
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